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Demon Power Structure

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:30 pm
by UbberDude
Whats the Demon Power Structure again?  I thought in one of the earlier book where Tarrin replaced Spyder as the portal guardian, Tarrin referred a "Balor" as a Demon Lord... or did I miss something?

Re: Demon Power Structure

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:00 pm
by Hearly
ubberdude wrote:Whats the Demon Power Structure again?  I thought in one of the earlier book where Tarrin replaced Spyder as the portal guardian, Tarrin referred a "Balor" as a Demon Lord... or did I miss something?

He did, but I think Fel decided that a demon lord was something stronger than a Balor...

Re: Demon Power Structure

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:25 pm
by Lochar
Balor might have the power of the demon lords, but maybe not the mind to control other demons? All brawn and no brain?  A demon lord controls other demons, and balor's might not be smart enough to do that.

Re: Demon Power Structure

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:27 pm
by Peter_Koopman
I seem to remember I've read somewhere, that Balors are the Barons of Hell. I'm not sure if it was in Fels books or that it was in some AD&D book.

But it's clear to me that Fel has something worse waiting for Tarrin... Poor kitten :-)

Re: Demon Power Structure

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:29 pm
by Hearly
sotho wrote:I seem to remember I've read somewhere, that Balors are the Barons of Hell. I'm not sure if it was in Fels books or that it was in some AD&D book.

But it's clear to me that Fel has something worse waiting for Tarrin... Poor kitten :-)

hehe ya really, I mean they seem to be throwing everything including the Kitchen Sink at him, I don't think the plan's he has about the demon Lord stepping aside will pan out, as the Demon Lord has given a lot of demon's to defeat him.. (and lost almost all of them)

Re: Demon Power Structure

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:58 am
by Peter_Koopman
hearly wrote: I don't think the plan's he has about the demon Lord stepping aside will pan out, as the Demon Lord has given a lot of demon's to defeat him.. (and lost almost all of them)
I'm no expert on demons, but I'm pretty sure a demonlord doesn't  give a damn about his underlings.  Demon's life for death and destruction, no matter what or who's destroyed.

Plus, the only thing Tarrin has killed sofar, can be called cannonfoder. The Marilith and one Balor are the only real Demons, this lord has thrown into battle.

Fact is, a Demon cares only for itself. The Demoness Empress from Sennadar is an exeption, because she's [s]created[/s] modified by a magic spell. She is in no way comparable to her kin of the Nine Hells.

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Hmmm... I heared about the Spoon of Doom, but this Kitchen Sink from Hell is a new one for me.  :D

Re: Demon Power Structure

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 6:34 am
by Shadowhawk
sotho wrote:Fact is, a Demon cares only for itself. The Demoness from Sennadar is an exeption, created by a magic spell. She is in no way comparable to her kin of the Nine Hells.
The Demoness Empress of Arak, Shi'ka, was not created by magic spell. She is Succubus, heavily modified by 'revert personality' spell. Described somewhere in books; "Axe of a Dwarven King" I think...

Re: Demon Power Structure

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:58 am
by MommyDoom
sotho wrote: ---

Hmmm... I heared about the Spoon of Doom, but this Kitchen Sink from Hell is a new one for me. :D
Fear the spoon!!

MD
(No work today for MommyDoom. Home with feverish baby).

Re: Demon Power Structure

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 11:30 am
by Lochar
mommydoom wrote:
Fear the spoon!!

MD
(No work today for MommyDoom. Home with feverish baby).

Uh oh.  Get well soon little James.

Re: Demon Power Structure

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 12:45 pm
by J-Man5
mommydoom wrote:
Fear the spoon!!

MD
(No work today for MommyDoom. Home with feverish baby).
Do fevers respond to threats of the Spoon of Doom.  Or does the Spoon of Doom get used for administering exlirs of medicine?

BTW hope your progeny gets well.

J-Man5

Re: Demon Power Structure

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:26 pm
by The_Namer
Bu the way, you do remember that Tarrin knows Wizardry short-range Teleport spell, from his encounter with red dragon Firestaff Guardian? I wonder if it works on Pyrosia. It would help immensely in fight with shadow dragon, if it isn't a demon with innate Teleporting, in which case Tarrin would need to block all teleporting.  


Tarrin learned the Sorcerer's Teleport spell in the battle with Big Red from a Weave echo, not the Wizard's version. Nevertheless, he's almost certain to have learned the Shadow Step spell from Kimmie or Phanderbrass, and maybe other Wizardly methods of quick travel.

Re: Demon Power Structure

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:39 pm
by Shadowhawk
the_namer wrote:Tarrin learned the Sorcerer's Teleport spell in the battle with Big Red from a Weave echo, not the Wizard's version.
I'm too lazy to look it up in a book, but I'm quite sure that it was Wizard spell, as it required saying words (and Sorcery doesn't need that).

Shadow Step is long range Teleport. That was short range one.

Re: Demon Power Structure

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:50 pm
by The_Namer
During the battle, Tarrin did learn a Wizard spell by listening to the dragon, but it was one that confused the senses, not Teleportation. He discovered how to Teleport when remembering the Sha'Kar mentioning it, and the Weave responded by showing him how to do it by Sorcery. He used it to Teleport short-range to dodge around the dragon.

Re: Demon Power Structure

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:34 pm
by Shadowhawk
Ah. Thanks for correcting me.

Sorcery Teleport wouldn't function, as it needs Weave, if I remember correctly. Wizardry confusion is still useful spell in the battle.

Re: Demon Power Structure

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:45 am
by Peter_Koopman
shadowhawk wrote: The Demoness Empress of Arak, Shi'ka, was not created by magic spell. She is Succubus, heavily modified by 'revert personality' spell. Described somewhere in books; "Axe of a Dwarven King" I think...
(Grin) That's what I meant. :-) English is not my native language, so sometimes my words come out garbled.

I know I should have written 'modified' and not 'created'.