Chap 8 Spoilers
Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:05 am
Ok fel, very very nice chapter, honestly I'd love to see the war in writing, It would be cool to see how they will defeat them.
You know there has to be parallel's in faey similar to our own dealing with tyrants Promising to leave so and so alone with it just being a rouse to allow them to kill there enemies in turn...zedd wrote:Smart Feys will remember the 30000 ships coming. They will understand that they need the Karinnes to defeat them. I think they will only try to kill Karinne after the 30000 ships are dealt with.
Or, some can believe that if they abandon the Karinnes they will be left in peace and pressure Dahnai (or go so far as trying to kill her) to abandon the Karinnes.
Awful of your part Fel, this cliff-hanger is evil, pure blackness, and I can hear your laugher all the way from here![]()
Think of how often our own polititians use a public excuse for their actions. WMD's anyone?afrigeek wrote:A person cannot be the head of a house like Trefani and not be smart. There is no way someone in such a house would believe the nonsense the consortium are spouting. Cleansing the galaxy? Yeah right!! Anyone at that point would just wonder why in the first place they didn't offer help to the imperium to deal with the Karinnes right from the beginning instead of allying with the Urumi and then backstabbing them if they were really pure in their motives.
They weren't facing 30000 enemy ships. They know that whatever the bed they make, they won't be the ones sleeping in itMad Monk wrote: Think of how often our own polititians use a public excuse for their actions. WMD's anyone?
Ditto.This bothered me as well.Hearly wrote:Something I just picked up.. at the end of the chapter fel says
"The keys to the future lie buried within the past."
I wonder what he means? did the Old House Have some type of run in with them previously?
That makes it sound like they came to the Milky way 1,000 years ago not to colonize like they told the Urumi but to attack Karinne. They have had 1,000 years to take over the milky way but didn't. They came back expressly because of the Karrines. This gives a hint that they did run into the Karinnes 1,000 years ago and they are a bunch of "zealots" and actually believe that claptrap about unnatural life. However there is something more disturbing that they revealed IMHO:Karinnes created this abomination against life long ago, and we errantly believed it destroyed with the destruction of Karis in the Faey Imperium’s Third Civil War, before we were in strategic position to destroy it ourselves
We know that before the destruction of Karis there was more then one CBIM and Cybi was not the one most everyday Karinnes would have interacted with, she was to used for planetary emergency and response. So her name would not be as widespread through the Karinnes 1,000 years ago, then to top it off how did the Consortium know that of all the CBIM's that it was Cybi to survive. So it would be unlikely that they got that info from the Karinnes on Exile they captured. Now we know that up until now Cybi's name was basically a state secret off Karis. No one talked about her unless they were in a secured area such as Kiaari's office on Earth or on a KMS ship. We know the Consortium used Hyperspace probes to watch Karis but again how would they here Cybi's name? It's not like they broadcasted it in the clear for them. Also they knew exactly where Cybi was located but unlike Jason when he first arrvied at Karis they had multiple energy emissions on the planet. Then there is that little thing of how they even heard of the return of the Karinnes in the first place. We know their Comms between Galaxies takes two months, we know they have been building bases only since after Jason's appearance at court and we know how long it takes them to get to the Milky Way: 4.7 years. When you add those things up they knew about Cybi and the Karinnes when Cybi broadcasted her first Teryon Query and that is what alerted them. They must have taken a Teryon receiver from the Karinnes on exile and heard Cybi's transmission in Andromeda. They did what Jason is going to do with their comms from the captured ship. I also believe they probably ran across the Karinnes before the civil war and the Karinnes scared the piss out of them and it was the Karinnes that caused them to turn around and leave the Milkyway 1000 year ago.“The abomination has many names, but the Karinnes call it Cybi
I would say that the answer is yes in a way ...Hearly wrote:Something I just picked up.. at the end of the chapter fel says
"The keys to the future lie buried within the past."
I wonder what he means? did the Old House Have some type of run in with them previously?
In chapter 18 of Subjugation Fel wrote:To answer you, Jason, the ship’s
class is the KES, Karinne Exploratory Starship. The docked ship reports that its official designation is the
KES Scimitar. The Scimitar is a D-model, commissioned in 2879. A standard KES carries scientific and
survey equipment for the mapping, study, and research of stellar features, planets, and planetary
ecosystems. The Scimitar was fitted for dedicated research of astral phenonena: nebulas, black holes,
quasars, and such.
The standard crew of a KES is 67; 24 starship operations crew, 43 scientists and
scientific support crew. Its is equipped with a Mark IX Hyperspace Jump Engine for interstellar travel,
and utilizes Cascading Spatial Translation Engines for standard propulsion. It is powered by three
singularity power plants, and has no offensive weaponry. It is equipped with a Class V Composite
Harmonic Teryon Shield and is armored with a standard AE-5 Compressed Neutronium hull. the bulk of
its internal systems are comprised of sensors, scanners, and research equipment.] There was a pause.
[The ship reports its crew evacuated to a planet in 2887, and sent the ship via autopilot to a nebula, where
it went into standby mode to await further orders. It has remained so since then.]
[Could it be the ship that went to Earth?] Jason asked curiously.
[No, it is not. Its crew manifest does not include any of the Generations. If you make your way to the
docking building, you may tour the ship. It will be docked by the time you arrive.]
Ok so The Consortium took some of the ancestors and small craft used by the FirstcomersIn chapter 6 of Insurrection Fel wrote:Now, Aura, tell him about the others, Meya prompted. “Listen to this, Jason. This makes it all fit.”
The others? Ah, yes. The ancestors wrote of them, my Duke. Before the devices our ancestors brought failed, there were other ships they saw, but they weren’t Karinne ships. So they fled the camp they made when they landed and hid from them, fearing they were Imperial ships that had come to kill them. But they weren’t Imperial, they were something else. The histories say that a group of ancestors were captured by them, and the ones who took them looked like gigantic insects, led by a strange creature made of pure light. They took our ancestors into their ship, looted the camp, and they left and never returned. They even took the small ships the Firstcomers used to get to Exile. After that, our ancestors abandoned the camp and fled far away.
Jason leaned back as Meya beamed at him. Insects, and a being made of light. The insectoids and the energy being.
The Consortium.
The Consortium had captured Karinnes. That did make it fit. That was why Consortium technology looked so…familiar. They captured Karinne technology, including the dropships they’d used to get to the planet, then they took it apart, learned how it worked. Oh, he was fairly certain that they didn’t get all their technology from the Karinnes, but it would have been enough for them to build on what they learned and develop similar technology to the Karinnes. But it fit. It did truly fit.
Ok so most of the Karinne's and “Karis” were destroyed about 1300 years ago.In chapter 16 of Subjugation Fel wrote:And how did Jason come to have a Karinne ancestor?
Well, this certainly dates the event, Songa sent. The Karinnes were destroyed about thirteen hundred
of your years ago. That would place this visit around, what, the year 700?
About that, Jason answered,
so they then searched else where looking for any Karinne's science missions that may have survived and hidden elsewhere until they stumbled across Exile....maybe others as well.In chapter 17 of Subjugation Fel wrote:Debris. Floating debris so thick it looked like an asteroid field, all of it twisted metal.
A ship. A big one, from the look of it, Zora sent as they carefully picked their way through the debris
field. Looks like she got hit right in the reactor and blew.
Why are the pieces all right here? Wouldn’t they have drifted away?
Some have. What’s here is probably about thirty percent of the ship, she answered. But the debris has
its own gravity field, and that pulls back all the larger pieces and the ones with low energy. And
remember, Jayce, all this junk is moving. We’re going, what, about twenty thousand? This debris is
moving at the same speed we are.
Why do you say something hit it?
This ship was destroyed. See the blast burns right there on that piece of outer hull? she asked, pointing
at a lazily spinning piece of flat metal that looked like bacon fried in a pan along its edges. This ship was
destroyed in combat. From the looks of it, it had to be a really long time ago. All the ship’s markings have
faded on the outer hull pieces. This might be the remnants of one of the ships that originally attacked Karis
and destroyed the Karinnes.