Subjugation Chapter 16 - Spoilers

[Lochar]

That is so very, very, very bad... and I have to know if it's worse that I get it...

Agreed.

It IS bad.

We're too techy for our own good. Fel, bring us down a notch by giving us more Faey tech to attempt to comprehend.

[afrigeek]

very very but much worse for you who actually comprehends it.

[Fiferguy]

Dang it... I knew being a geek was going to haunt me eventually....

[Calimbor]

I don't know, I can't help but feel that Jason got what he deserved...It sounds strange and utterly stupid, I know.

But I just can't help but feel that Jason got careless and completely fucked up.

Seriously what is he doing chasing fairytales when he's got a war to fight against a superior foe in almost every way.

/Rant finished.

On a different note, I'm looking forward to further Jason - Myleena Merrane hijincks.

[Metatrone]

Look at it this way - Fel made him careless and he fucked up so we can have Chapter 17 to look forward to.

[J-Man5]

Shhhh all That's in the Sequel

It's not in my [s]sequel[/s] SQL...

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(Ahh... SQL Jokes. Fun)

Now its also bad when you try and figure out how to implement such a DB. Just how could I get those tables to be populated faster? Do you think Fel would mind a bit of Modding to add a high powered processor and RAID array and more memory to his person? Voila --- > Fel-Borg the first Ultra-writer, from there it would be other online authors then finally print writers like Robert Jordan.

J-Man5

[XavierQuinn]

I have 2 similar theories about the relationship between the Kimdori and Jason:

1) 1200 years ago a few of the scientists from house Karinne found a way to detect Kimdori shape shifters by changing certain biological receptors in their bodies at a genetic level. This scientific breakthrough threatened to create an enormous security threat for the Kimdori as it would neutralize the effectiveness of their shape shifting ability for infiltration and information gathering. Being specialists at manipulating events behind the scenes the Kimdori attempted to eliminate the threat my eliminating the scientists and the research. Somehow their plan got away from them and instead of eliminating the scientists and research they started a string of events that led to an empire wide civil war that whipped out the Karinne house in its entirety. Since then the Kimdori have focused of creating stability in the empire to ensure that nothing like the civil war could happen again and are also trying to find a way to make restitution to house Karinne for the damage the Kimdori’s actions caused.

2) A variant on the last theory is that they knew exactly what they were doing when they created the civil war and used the war as a cover to eliminate any and all possible information concerning the scientist’s research from surviving. It was a ruthless decision to protect the very fabric of the Kimdori civilization. Not being evil creatures by nature but causing this evil act out of desperation has caused an emotional wound in the Kimdori psyche that has lead them to influence events throughout the empire to help balance the proverbial scales and heal the emotional wound. One example of their actions is the support of Jason Fox.



My last thought is that the reason the Kimdori elder had the cure for Jason’s sickness is because the Kimdori where the original creators of the biological weapon used specially against the leading scientist researching the KMD (Kimdori Detection Method).

[Hearly]

I have 2 similar theories about the relationship between the Kimdori and Jason:

1) 1200 years ago a few of the scientists from house Karinne found a way to detect Kimdori shape shifters by changing certain biological receptors in their bodies at a genetic level. This scientific breakthrough threatened to create an enormous security threat for the Kimdori as it would neutralize the effectiveness of their shape shifting ability for infiltration and information gathering. Being specialists at manipulating events behind the scenes the Kimdori attempted to eliminate the threat my eliminating the scientists and the research. Somehow their plan got away from them and instead of eliminating the scientists and research they started a string of events that led to an empire wide civil war that whipped out the Karinne house in its entirety. Since then the Kimdori have focused of creating stability in the empire to ensure that nothing like the civil war could happen again and are also trying to find a way to make restitution to house Karinne for the damage the Kimdori’s actions caused.

2) A variant on the last theory is that they knew exactly what they were doing when they created the civil war and used the war as a cover to eliminate any and all possible information concerning the scientist’s research from surviving. It was a ruthless decision to protect the very fabric of the Kimdori civilization. Not being evil creatures by nature but causing this evil act out of desperation has caused an emotional wound in the Kimdori psyche that has lead them to influence events throughout the empire to help balance the proverbial scales and heal the emotional wound. One example of their actions is the support of Jason Fox.



My last thought is that the reason the Kimdori elder had the cure for Jason’s sickness is because the Kimdori where the original creators of the biological weapon used specially against the leading scientist researching the KMD (Kimdori Detection Method).

I disagree, I think the debt the Kimdori owe the house is because they did something that either saved the Kimdori speices, or a major part of it, to me that is the only thing I can think of that would justify the level (as in how many are actually helping him, clan elder, etc..) of help they are giving him..

[michaelsuave]

I disagree, I think the debt the Kimdori owe the house is because they did something that either saved the Kimdori speices, or a major part of it, to me that is the only thing I can think of that would justify the level (as in how many are actually helping him, clan elder, etc..) of help they are giving him..

I agree with Hearly, I don't think XavierQuinn's theory would explain the amount of trust that Jason innately shows with the Kimdori. Further, if it was just a bunch of scientists in Jason's house, then it wouldn't explain why Jason and his sister, both related to the ruling lord of the house and not some indiscriminant scientist, can feel kimdori and equate the feeling of each other to kimdori also. It is much more likely that the kimdori and Jason's house share some deeper bond rather than the Kimdori trying to make up for a mistake of their own actions. Xavier's theory just doesn't seem to line up with Jason and his sister's background and the info that fel told us that they are related through the lords two sons.

~Michael

[Lochar]

You know, the more I think about it, the more something seems odd about the Kimdori being a virus species.

I don't think that does them justice.

With their abilities, I think the Kimdori are more symbiotes than virus. If the 'lost house' had actually been the other half of the symbiote, that'd make sense as to why the Kimdori are so intent on helping them.

And it'd make sense as to why they wouldn't want it to look like Jason was getting help from another noble house. They want that family to rise again under it's own power.

Would also explain why Jason and the rest of the 'family' feel like Kimdori, if they have a symbiotic relationship with them.

[michaelsuave]

You know, the more I think about it, the more something seems odd about the Kimdori being a virus species.

I don't think that does them justice.

With their abilities, I think the Kimdori are more symbiotes than virus. If the 'lost house' had actually been the other half of the symbiote, that'd make sense as to why the Kimdori are so intent on helping them.

And it'd make sense as to why they wouldn't want it to look like Jason was getting help from another noble house. They want that family to rise again under it's own power.

Would also explain why Jason and the rest of the 'family' feel like Kimdori, if they have a symbiotic relationship with them.

Wow, I didn't think about that before, but I would have to agree. I think you might have hit on something here Lochar.

[Hearly]

You know, the more I think about it, the more something seems odd about the Kimdori being a virus species.

I don't think that does them justice.

With their abilities, I think the Kimdori are more symbiotes than virus. If the 'lost house' had actually been the other half of the symbiote, that'd make sense as to why the Kimdori are so intent on helping them.

And it'd make sense as to why they wouldn't want it to look like Jason was getting help from another noble house. They want that family to rise again under it's own power.

Would also explain why Jason and the rest of the 'family' feel like Kimdori, if they have a symbiotic relationship with them.

Wow, I didn't think about that before, but I would have to agree. I think you might have hit on something here Lochar.

But didn't Fel once say that Jason had no Kimdori DNA? so that would shoot this out the window...

[jrs772000]

I think Fel has said that Jason has no kimdori DNA. But I still think there must be a link between Jason and the Kimdori of some sort. Personally I think it has something to do with his telepathy and how the kimdori share knowledge. If the members of house karinne studied it they may have been able to change the dna of their house members to have that same ability or close to it.

[Lochar]

You know, the more I think about it, the more something seems odd about the Kimdori being a virus species.

I don't think that does them justice.

With their abilities, I think the Kimdori are more symbiotes than virus. If the 'lost house' had actually been the other half of the symbiote, that'd make sense as to why the Kimdori are so intent on helping them.

And it'd make sense as to why they wouldn't want it to look like Jason was getting help from another noble house. They want that family to rise again under it's own power.

Would also explain why Jason and the rest of the 'family' feel like Kimdori, if they have a symbiotic relationship with them.

Wow, I didn't think about that before, but I would have to agree. I think you might have hit on something here Lochar.

But didn't Fel once say that Jason had no Kimdori DNA? so that would shoot this out the window...

Symbiotes are seperate creatures than enhance themselves and their 'host' if you will. But they'd be seperate creatures with DNA and everything else like that.

[Fiferguy]

But isn't basic DNA shifting something that the Kimdori can do? I mean, wouldn't they have to to get past some of the security that is set up. Remember, there's NO WHERE a determined Kimdori can't get to find out information.

I think it's some other event. Maybe a biological agent was threatening the entire Kimdori homeworld, or something like that, and Jason's ancestors made a cure?