kd7mvs wrote:Something to remember about Cybi and the information she stores: 1) You have to know what questions to ask. 2) You have to actually ask the appropriate questions. 3) You have to have the appropriate clearance to access the information. Remember, the plans for the Interdictor existed, but no one knew about it until Mylena [sp?] searched through the classified data and stumbled upon it; nothing says that information on Earth, or Manhome, doesn't reside in classified storage, but you have to find it if it does; it doesn't strike me as something that would be in open stacks, but rather in restricted storage.
Actually in this case not necessarily, you missed a few things. One all security restrictions were removed by Koiri Karinne except for how to restart the program. Of course after that Jason would place security protocols in place as more people arrived but at the time of first contact between Jason and Cybi there would be no restriction on that type of information.
[My answers are yours, Master Karinne, and it has been my designation, or name, to be known as Cybi. All security protocols have been removed by Koiri Karinne, except the protocols around the technical data of the Program. I am permitted to answer questions about it, but not help you restart it.]
This leads to my second point. Jason point blank asked if there was anything that Cybi knew of that could help him back on earth. At this point with no security protocols on any information but the program Cybi would have found it then and told Jason.
Then there is the simple problem of the destruction of Zera’s scout ship. If there had been a base anywhere near the earth, Zera’s scout ship would have detected it. So knowing that why would she destroy her scout ship? If the reason is so the Imperium can’t detect it a Karinne base on or near earth makes that just a stupid waste.
Then of course there is the most simple thing against a Karinne installation on earth that it is overlooked: The Kimdori would have known of it. After Jason took up the ring and Miaari told him about the Siann yah think she might have hung a clue out there for Jason to use besides the Scimitar as proof in front of the Empress. Up till this point Miaari led Jason by the nose pushing to find the pieces of his ancestral puzzle. I believe a Karinne earth base would have cropped up if there was one to help the cause.
To come to a conclusion of a prior Karinne base there is to many facts that we know of that would be made nonsensical.
Also there is a wee problem of your example about the Interdictor. There might have been an instance where it was accessed prior to Myleena.
[Show me. All of it,] he ordered. [Show me everything that the Karinnes kept secret from the Imperium.]
[It will take time. There is much.]
[Then the faster we get started, the faster we can finish.]
[Shall I begin with operational technologies, or research materials that were still under development?]
[Let’s start with stuff they already had working. After that, we can get into the stuff they were researching.]
The above quote shows Jason going through the entire Karinne Tech base to find something to use.
[Very well. I will begin with power systems, then we will cover starship developments; weapons, armor, shields, engines, and other systems. Then we will move into sensor systems and other planetary technologies, and then move into the tertiary scientific knowledge; biology, chemistry, physics, archaeology, anthropology, paleontology, botany, history, and so on. So, let us begin.]
This one shows the order in which they looked at them broken up by categories.
a communion where she explained every technology that the Karinnes had developed to be a viable system. All of them, from the most important and used, to the most whimsical. Anything the Karinnes researched and developed into a working technology, Jason had Cybi summarize for him.
Now this one shows that Cybi summarized every working tech the Karinnes had.
When you bring these things together keep in mind that the selected tech was a replicator which would have been far down on the category list. Then that brings us back to the Interdictor which should have been somewhere either dealing with Hyperspace Engine Tech or at least the other systems list. Please note that Myleena wouldn’t have been able to use sims and know for a fact that Stargates would bypass the Interdictor unless she had two proven systems to run through the computers. So that would mean the Karinnes built at least a small test model to get the hard facts which she used. Since at that point it is a working Tech Jason would have saw it before the replicator but have skipped over it and with the amount of Tech he saw in those hours it would not be unreasonable that he simply forgot about it.
Now after that point in the story the odds of finding that particular tech would be slim since Jason reinstated security protocols and no one else would have reason to just be looking through the entire Karinne Tech Base in one sitting.
Then there is one last little thing in this that could also be used against a secret Karinne Base. After getting the replicator from Cybi, he told Cybi to continue
[We’ll take care of that when we’re done. Keep going.]
Jason wanted to see all of it, so he continued with the communion, so Cybi would be able to complete her task.
Now one of the things on the list was the secret history of the Karinnes we don’t know how far along Jason got down the list past the replicator before Zaa showed up and Jason broke the Communion. Another factor to look at is that you could be reasonably sure that after Jason returned to Karis after getting earth situated he probably went back to Cybi and continued seeing all the secrets of the Karinnes, which he would need to know when dealing with the Imperium and know which advances like the replicator Jason could sell to them. Cybi can deny Jason nothing except possibly the knowledge to restart the program because at that point he is the Grand Duke and he wanted all secrets the Karinnes knew. Something of that magnitude Jason wouldn't forget since it was dealing with earth.