boballab wrote:
Thats what I was driving at, Cybi has so much information crammed into her databanks, even she doesn't know it all immediately. Time and again Jason asks her a question and she has to search for the answer, so there could be other hollow moons out there so to speak. However I don't think they are manned or operational. Remember Cybi's broadcast was omnidirectional and picked up signals from all operating Biogenic computers, even the ones on Kimdori Prime which couldn't answer directly back. Any Manned Karinne outpost with operating tech would have talked to a CBIM, they would know that no one but a Generation could operate one. Anyone else would cause bad things to happen like the CBIM either killing someone or blowing itself up. At the minimum they would have jumped back to Karis to investigate. So if there is any more live Karinnes out there the odds say they are in the same boat as the Exiles or Jason's ancestors. IF there is anymore Karinne outposts the Biogenic computers have run out of power and Cybi couldn't detect them, However there locations should be located on star charts in Cybi's databanks and Jason could go to them and reactivate them with new power sources.
Except If you remember When Miaari First came to Karis to investigate who was was there <Grin> Cybi had to search to see if it was a condition under which the kimdori were allowed to be there.
I think there are some Directives or commands that Cybi is not aware of until certian events or things take place
I also think that it's possiable that there could be another CBIM out there ...either or it might not have an operational Interface/transmitter ....Maybe it's shielded from detection and under orders not to respond.
it's also possiable that after 1300 years it's been upgraded and is no longer detectiable by Cybi(i know it's a longshot)
boballab wrote: As to what they were doing at earth:
[Jason’s ancestor was not one of the lunar crew, for his DNA indicates he is directly of your line, Myleena,] the computer told them. [The only unaccounted for member of your line from that era is Zera Karinne, older sister of Zuy and Gora Karinne, a xenobotanist by scientific profession. Records indicate she was on a scientific expedition to a rim system at the time of the destruction of Karis. I would assume that instead of returning to the Imperium, she fled into unexplored space, and ultimately landed on your Earth.]
So going by that it was an accident, they were fleeing and stumbled across earth, however why did they flee from out on the rim? Jasons ancestor was a xenobotanist so their must have been at least a planet that sustained plant life so why leave it? one possibuility there is something there they don't want found. At that time the Karinnes and the Kimdori were the only ones that could make real time jumps out to the rim. The other possibility is that is were the consortium came into the milky way
See thats my point Was it truely an accident ? some ramdom chance ? or something else some other reason for choosing Earth... it was Some thing else Fel wrote got me really thinking about it.
In chapter 16 Of Subjugation Fel wrote:“Faerie Folk, I’m not sure about that. I thought fairies were supposed to be little winged things.”
“Och, laddy, that’s just one interpretation,” the other librarian said. “The Faerie Folk are the elves of
old folklore, ye ken. They were said to be tall, graceful, handsome folk with pointed ears. The legends
said they lived in the land of Arcadia, a magical realm outside the bounds of our own world.”
“That sounds promising,” Rann mused. “Any words you can think of?” he asked Jason.
He shook his head. “Nothing comes to mind. The Faey words for realm or home aren’t even close.
The closest word that even relates I can think of is arcideinne, but that’s, ah, not exactly an appropriate
word.”
“Why, what does it mean?” Songa asked innocently, but he saw the wicked glint in her eye.
“Prostitute, generally,” he answered, giving her a short glare. “But it’s not a very nice word. And
you’re on the list,” he growled, pointing at Songa.
She broke down into delighted laughter, then winked at him.
“I dinna’ ken,” Rose said.
“She knew what that word meant. She just wanted to make Ja—Jack say it, that’s all,” Meya told them
from behind her helmet.
“Ah. I didna’ think that Faey had a sense of humor.”
“Oh, we do. It’s just not quite the same as a human’s,” Rann told the woman with a grin.
The books they were sent to read were interesting, and Jason learned a bit more about the legends of
the Faerie Folk. They were just as the librarian described, tales of elfin beings that lived in a magical world
called Arcadia, who crossed over into the human world. There were stories of humans and the Faerie Folk
interacting, both peacefully and in conflict, and dark tales of humans abducted and spirited away to
Arcadia, a magical realm of pristine forests where the Faerie Folk dwelled. Jason read that over the years,
the term Faerie became more attached to traditional fairies, while the term Sidhe or elf had come to
represent an appearance more Faey-like. But the librarian was right; in Scotland, the concept of a faerie
was not a diminutive winged creature, but a tall, elegant, regal, beautiful human-like creature of refined
bearing and gentle mannerisms, often richly dressed. They had similar legends in Ireland, where they were
called the Sidhe (odd that a word spelled that way was pronounced shee, but the word was Gaelic in origin),
but the Sidhe and the Faerie were basicly two names for a similar creature, just given different names for
different regions.
Sidhe. Now that word sounded familiar. It sounded like sehii, which in Faey, meant lost.
The most interesting part of what he read was the interaction between the Faerie Folk and the humans.
The Faerie Folk weren’t really written as dark or ominous beings, though there were several stories
concerning Banne Sidhe, or evil Sidhe, which curiously was the origin of the word banshee. They could be
fearsome, but only when angered or riled. So long as one didn’t anger a Faerie Folk, they were kind,
gentle, and helpful. They were attributed in many stories as bringers of happiness, bestowers of special
gifts on human newborns like beauty or luck or intelligence, and many of the stories he read through
attributed the Faerie Folk with peaceful, harmonious co-existence with the humans who bordered the
entrances to Arcadia, their magical homeland.
This got me to wonder if there isn't some sort of a base close to earth (the moon maybe)
Arcadia or arcideinne come awfuly close to the humn word Academy ...
But what if it does mean some place else....some place that was out side the imperium 1300 years ago.
boballab wrote:The thing I always wondered was what caused the Consortium to scrap their colonization effort 1300 years ago. As previously stated they have colonized 3 other galaxies so they must have a routine down and I don't think that includes just packing up and heading home.
Well their Transmission in the last chapter gave away a lot maybe.
In chapter 8 Of Unification Fel wrote:The next morning, the Consortium finally came out of the shadows.
In an open communication, a viddy recording of one of the energy beings was dropped on Jason’s desk
by Miaari. “Watch this,” she ordered, slotting the crystal and bringing it up.
The energy being was very odd to see up close. It was a swirling amorphous form very vaguely in a
bipedal shape, with a featureless head and arm-like protrusions, with a series of small devices surrounding
it…probably some means to maintain its integrity or something. “We represent the Consortium of Allied
Systems,” the recording began. “We are an empire of over four thousand systems in the galaxy you refer to
as Andromeda, and we have colonized three galaxies other than our own. We have come to right a wrong
against nature itself.
“The Faey Imperium is harboring an artificially developed creature, life that is not life,Artificial
Intelligence, which has twisted its own creators by genetic manipulation to serve itself. We will not permit
such an abomination to exist, for it is a threat to all things. The Faey known as Karinnes created this
abomination against life long ago, and we errantly believed it destroyed with the destruction of Karis in the
Faey Imperium’s Third Civil War, before we were in strategic position to destroy it ourselves. But we have
recently learned that the abomination has survived the war, and the remnants of Karinne have gathered to
serve it once again.“
This Has me thinking that maybe the Consortium knew a lot about the Karinnes long before they captured what was left of that Karinne Ship and kidnaped some of the Karinnes off Exile.
It also reinforces my belief that they had a hand in the destruction of the Karinnes and that the karinnes also might have known something about them. But the Consortium at that time was much too weak here to actively do anything about the Karinnes at that time.
But maybe just maybe the Karinnes saw the Consortium for the threat it was and were taking Long term steps to combat them if the need ever rose.
There is a reason why a house that never thought they needed or wanted war ships suddenly started building some.
but back to your statment I don't think the Consortium ever did scrap their colonization effort in fact i think it continues to this day ....but they met the Karinnes and saw the level of their technology and wanted it. ...and once they got parts of that Karinne ship and the Biogenics on it.....as Fel said ...They WANTED that BAD! but they thought it all lost to them as every attempt to check Karis was repelled by the Kimdori.... so until Jason returned to claim the Karinne House and repaired Cybi. I think they were just continuing to Build their colonys and bid their time (there is a Rumor that they are fighting another war back in their home galaxy maybe thats whats slowed them down here a lot) Maybe they are Having problems and Karinne tech is what they think they need to win there. but once again Karis was a Dead planet Burned out lifeless and radioactive nothing left, no karinnes, no Tech, no CBIM, No Rush. then A Generation appears and suddenly there is a CBIM left..... so thats why the overwhelming force to take Karis is on the way.
boballab wrote:
I also don't think they caused the third civil war, not from the way Zaa talked. She states that it was a Kimdori failure that ignited it. To me it sounds like just prior to the third civil war the Imperium was pretty much in the same situation Jason found it in when he claimed House Karinne. You had the Kimdori working to keep the Faey looking inward and just like now some of the Noble houses were looking to move up. They got powerful enough that a coalition of them took on the Empress and won. However what I do see happening is that the Consortium comes trotting in fat dumb and happy looking to set up colonies and stumbling across the Imperium. From this point one of two things could have happened. They tried fighting with a Faey fleet and found out at that time the Faey were overall more advanced then them or they saw two Faey fleets fighting each other and again saw that they were outclassed and boogied for home. That is the only way I could see them not going through with the colony effort, fear of the Faey finding them. From that point they got lucky with the Exiles and Karinne tech.
This quote and some others like it got me thinking
In chapter 20 Of Subjugation Fel wrote:“Since the failure we suffered that was the Third Civil War, and the loss of our Karinne
cousins, we have debated our methods and have decided to take a more active hand, should this situation
rise again.
I don't think that the Consortium was ready to actualy attack the Karinnes 1300 years ago I think they knew that they wouldn't/couldn't win against their Tech...so instead they were sneaky and Covert ....I do think that Agents Of the Consortium acted much like the Kimdori and pushed both sides the Merranes and The Shovalles to attack the karinnes.
The Kimdori Failure was in they didn't or Couldn't see the danger to the Karinnes untill it was allready too late to stop it.
I got the Feeling that the Kimdori still don't completely understand how it happened.
that and the Fact that they let the Karinnes down and allowed them to be destroyed has troubled them greatly over the years.
Lots to think about ....How Evil is Fel Truly?
Phantom