Re: Jason to form his own Noble House?
Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:25 am
I can see Jyslin's Aunt joining the house too..
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Mizriath wrote:Well he has other Generations to call on. Then there are other lost Karinne on other planets. To fill up the house nobles and occupants.
But the people he can trusts will still be Jyslin's mate, Myleena, the Legion, and the old warhorse (the one whose feet he would kiss).
But Karis, I feel he will still call on the Kimdori to take care of it and keep it a secret.
Faey being Faey would be inquisitive and will start to investiate Karis and the Kimdori will be important.
I guess fighting with the Skaa will not be in this book. Book2!!. Yeah
Mizriath
and in chapter 7No, he sent back, his emotions creeping into his telepathic voice. I will not provide the Imperium with tools to fight wars or subjugate other races. Ever.
If you end up in research, you will, she warned.
In chapter 18 we still see the same only now Jason is also wanting to continue Koiri Karinne's legacy as wellThere was that familiar BEE-yah! sound followed up by the sharp crack like a whip, and the instant corkscrew smoketrail that linked the muzzle of the weapon to the sudden explosion of mud, dirt, and buried root on the steep hill of the opposite bank, as the slug impacted the embankment and was stopped, which caused the backblow effect that made the weapon’s round blow huge holes in things it couldn’t go through. Bits of dirt and wood arced high into the air, dropping into the lake like rain, and one particularly large piece of root landed not five feet from Myra’s foot.
“Trelle’s garland!” the bodyguard gasped.
“Demir’s sword!” the other bodyguard exclaimed.
“Holy shit!” Kumi said, somewhat less diplomatically, but just as emotionally, as her bodyguards.
“And that is why I’m here,” Jason snapped angrily, ripping the weapon out of Myra’s hands. Now it was time to talk fast, and he clamped down tightly on his own thoughts, projecting only the thoughts that would back up what he was saying, so it would seem to them that his thoughts reinforced his words. They would see his thoughts suddenly become audible to them for a moment, as if he’d lost his control of his mind in a moment of anger, and what they saw there would back up his statements. “I will not give this to the Faey. I will not give them weapons to use to oppress my people, or any other people.”
“What is this thing?” Myra asked, pointing at it. “Some kind of mass driver? It fired a solid mass, didn’t it? How did you propel it? Is it explosive? Have you tried it against armor?”
So even as much as i would love to see a book 2 ...if it happens i don't see it being about the war or the Skaa. well at least not Jason helping the Faey with it anyways.. Koiri Karinne had demanded that the advances of the house of Karinne be denied to the Imperium, and to be honest, he still felt honor bound to deny the Imperium any kind of technology or help that would let them do to some other species what was done to his. He would not give them tools to use to conquer other planets. He would not allow it to happen to someone else. He had fled from the Imperium so he would not be a cog in their machine. Now he found himself inexorably linked to that which he despised, a part of their system, but he still could not see it within himself to sell out his morals, even if it meant getting what he wanted, even if it meant beating Trillane. There was such a thing in his mind as too high a price to pay for victory. If he sold out and gave the Imperium Karinne technology, then the blood of anyone killed by it or subjugated under the Imperial flag using it would be on his hands and staining the flag of Karinne. Under no circumstances, in no manner or fashion of any kind, would the Imperium get one dirty finger on anything on Karis. Not even a metal screw. Not even a fucking grain of sand. Nothing.
Fury and outrage fueled Koiri Karinne’s dying declaration to deny the Imperium everything the Karinnes had had to offer. Cold anger and unwavering resolve caused Jason to take the same position. Karis and her secrets were for the Karinnes and the Kimdori, and only for the Karinnes and the Kimdori.
“Long ago, at the end, Koiri Karinne forbade us from revealing our knowledge of the Karinnes,” she explained. “We were bound by that declaration, even to the point of not allowing us to tell you. She did not want the Imperium coming here and salvaging anything. She wanted the loss of the Karinnes to be absolute, to her own people. She wanted their betrayal to give them nothing in return. We even have orders to attack and destroy any who violate this place, except for those who have the right to be here,” she told him intensely.
Eventually. Until then I can also see her running the Imperial forces on Earth. Maybe after Earth is up on it's feet Jason can 'reward' her. Though she might still has the whole 'let the slave ship escape' thing hanging over her from Jason's point of view.Hearly wrote:I can see Jyslin's Aunt joining the house too..
You bring up some interesting pointsAstardis wrote:I can't see him with a house military equiped with Karinne weapons for quite a while.
Most of the advanced technology is only available in the CBIM as data. Let's take for example the compressed neutronium armor Fel explained to us.
Karis has been destroyed and with it, nearly every production plant for Karinne technology. (there might be some in the moon base)
So, just to be able to make compressed armor, he has to build the singularity press which I am sure needs several other advanced Karinne tools to construct. So basically he first needs tools to build the tools to build the acutal endproduct.
Furthermore, I see several problems with equipping all his troops with Karinne technology. I am sure all houses have to send troops to the war. I guess it would be hard to explain, why Karinne is so much more successful, has less casulties during a campain due to much better equipment and that doesn't take into account what the other houses might see of Karinne equipment.
If Jason builds himself house fleet, he will need regular troops who are mostly equiped like other house fleets and maybe a secret elite corps with better equipment.
But as I see Jason, that will be very hard on his conscience since he is sending troops to war with sub-standart equipment.
So basically he is in a big dilemma. He needs a standing fleet to defend his house unlike his ancestors. That probably will get him drafted into wars of the empire even subjugation wars, where he can't let his troops be optimal equipped.
Well a couple of problems with this. First of all, in chapter 18 we learned that Jason is going to get the imperial marrines to protect earth, and earth will be a karinne planet. Karis is still going to be protected, and I don't think Jason is going to make the same mistake he did in the past by leaving his places undefended... but at the same time he is probably going to stay neutral. Just as the Karinnes did, I doubt he would have to field an army for the imperium, furthermore it is against jason's morals to supply weapons or troops to subjugate planets or species outside the imperium, he just wont do it. I expect to see robotic guardians coupled with hired kimdori help as Jason's primary ground forces, added to the marines who he added to his house and the soldiers from legion. Other than that it will be the 230 something karinne and possibly the ones who settled on outside planets after fleeing the demise of karis. These are all the things fel has hinted at so far, where his evil twisted mind will lead us though... only fel knows...Astardis wrote:I can't see him with a house military equiped with Karinne weapons for quite a while.
Most of the advanced technology is only available in the CBIM as data. Let's take for example the compressed neutronium armor Fel explained to us.
Karis has been destroyed and with it, nearly every production plant for Karinne technology. (there might be some in the moon base)
So, just to be able to make compressed armor, he has to build the singularity press which I am sure needs several other advanced Karinne tools to construct. So basically he first needs tools to build the tools to build the acutal endproduct.
Furthermore, I see several problems with equipping all his troops with Karinne technology. I am sure all houses have to send troops to the war. I guess it would be hard to explain, why Karinne is so much more successful, has less casulties during a campain due to much better equipment and that doesn't take into account what the other houses might see of Karinne equipment.
If Jason builds himself house fleet, he will need regular troops who are mostly equiped like other house fleets and maybe a secret elite corps with better equipment.
But as I see Jason, that will be very hard on his conscience since he is sending troops to war with sub-standart equipment.
So basically he is in a big dilemma. He needs a standing fleet to defend his house unlike his ancestors. That probably will get him drafted into wars of the empire even subjugation wars, where he can't let his troops be optimal equipped.
I honestly do not see those 230 other Genreations being Trusted by Jason at all, At least right away, If they rejoin the house, I can see them never finding out about Karis.michaelsuave wrote: Well a couple of problems with this. First of all, in chapter 18 we learned that Jason is going to get the imperial marrines to protect earth, and earth will be a karinne planet. Karis is still going to be protected, and I don't think Jason is going to make the same mistake he did in the past by leaving his places undefended... but at the same time he is probably going to stay neutral. Just as the Karinnes did, I doubt he would have to field an army for the imperium, furthermore it is against jason's morals to supply weapons or troops to subjugate planets or species outside the imperium, he just wont do it. I expect to see robotic guardians coupled with hired kimdori help as Jason's primary ground forces, added to the marines who he added to his house and the soldiers from legion. Other than that it will be the 230 something karinne and possibly the ones who settled on outside planets after fleeing the demise of karis. These are all the things fel has hinted at so far, where his evil twisted mind will lead us though... only fel knows...
~Michael
My point exactly.....Jyslin is driving them mad using a weapon that they haven't seen before and have little or no defense against.Hearly wrote:I honestly do not see those 230 other Genreations being Trusted by Jason at all, At least right away, If they rejoin the house, I can see them never finding out about Karis.michaelsuave wrote: Well a couple of problems with this. First of all, in chapter 18 we learned that Jason is going to get the imperial marrines to protect earth, and earth will be a karinne planet. Karis is still going to be protected, and I don't think Jason is going to make the same mistake he did in the past by leaving his places undefended... but at the same time he is probably going to stay neutral. Just as the Karinnes did, I doubt he would have to field an army for the imperium, furthermore it is against jason's morals to supply weapons or troops to subjugate planets or species outside the imperium, he just wont do it. I expect to see robotic guardians coupled with hired kimdori help as Jason's primary ground forces, added to the marines who he added to his house and the soldiers from legion. Other than that it will be the 230 something karinne and possibly the ones who settled on outside planets after fleeing the demise of karis. These are all the things fel has hinted at so far, where his evil twisted mind will lead us though... only fel knows...
~Michael
Also his RailGun right now is tearing stuff up on Earth, He doesn't really Need Karinne Tech.
The Key came from R&D, I think Showing up in Draconis "air" space, in an Old Karinne Scoutship, will perk enough interest, that he'd be able to show up easily at the palace and see the Emperess, Remeber she's a Faey Female, and they Love Mysteries....ampws wrote:I think everybody is concentrating too much on what happens after he is recognised as house head.
He still has to get to see the empress the technical head of house merraine yet. Admittedley there are several avenues he could use i.e. the public support method.
And don't forget their is still that mysterious Imperial organisation that has been monitoring him and gave him the universal code key.
Fel has been very quiet about that![]()
AMPWS